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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
Bedfordshire
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Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 275
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Just been nosing and, yet again, I am astounded that there are a lot of people putting games up (or joining games) who then don't bother to enter the scores.
Surely that is the general idea, to keep a record of your handicap?
I know many people put everything in, except the odd really bad round (why?).
I add all my scores, good, bad or indifferent and to that end have my TSG handicap, which is usually different from my Club handicap.
The Club handicap is usually a shot(ish) higher, but that is because it is set on perhaps 25 games a year, whereas the TSG one accurately reflects the way I play as it encompasses ALL games/courses.
Generally, during the course of a round booked through here, someone will make comment about 'bandits' - some comments made by those not entering scores no doubt!
I takes two minutes to add your score and see just how you are doing against the rest of us mere mortals...(also keeps you out of the 'oh, bandits' category!)
#Discuss
jb
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Brigitte Lockwo...
Handicap: 30
Middlesex
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 574
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Hi John,
Glad you enter this pertinent item to the Forum.
There are probably many reasons why not all scores are entered on TSG, one I can categorically report is when you are taking part in a Team comp as very often it is a better ball format or something like that where you cannot record your very own score .
Also Matchplay format is ´it normally not recorded by strokes but by a + or - or 0 or AS and the winning by 2 & 1 or something to that effect.
I personally try to enter most of my scores even the very bad ones BUT I very often get comments not necessarily "welcome" by me......
Don't know why but I must admit I do comment on some score cards but in a joking or complimentary manner.
I don't necessarily enter my scores from my own club because I don't think it had anything to do with TSG, nor do I enter my TSG scores at my own club BUT I think that with the new hdcp system coming into place one may have to do all entries ....
I know a few of you record your their club games (JB, JL, MH & probably others )
These are my views and experiences.
I must say that my Club hdcp is different from TSG's.
Brigitte
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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
Bedfordshire
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Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 275
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Yes I enter every score and many times playing Matchplay, you do have a score that can be entered. Team comps and FBBB are different.
And yes if you are a club member, your handicaps will differ. That's why on a TSG game I use that handicap, when playing at Redbourn I use the CONGU handicap. It's much the same as many small societies having their own handicaps for their games.
BUT there are some that play on here who have no cards entered - does mean they can't play in the comps, also means that if you post a game for a few, you should have the right to peg their handicap.
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Paddy O
Handicap: 19
West Sussex
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 10
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Generally I can't be bothered as it'll be a +.1 or it'll stay the same. If I hit a decent score, I'll put it in. They just don't happen enough. I do understand the worry of bandits but you can tell within a few holes if someone is having you on our having a good round.
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Judy Lilley
Handicap: 20
Kent
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Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 244
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I enter all my singles scores. Club Secretary confirmed this is correct and handicap is correct for TSG games. Club handicap can be higher or lower but not usually by much.
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Roger Ireland
Handicap: 9
Essex
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Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 68
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Hi All, there is always talk about h/c, i also have 2 h/c, club and tsg, there are times, when they have been the same, but at others like now club, 8.8, tsg 7.0, so which one is correct? both, as one is based on club comps, the other on every game i play on every course, so it is clear one is a club h/c, but this only applies to this club, the other tsg is a reflexion of your playing ability, and not your h/c , this in turn brings problems, because some players are very eratic , so they always look like there h/c is wrong, one game to high , a good score, the next to low resulting in a very low score, this may be helped when the new h/c system is used, but only time will tell, one thing is for sure your h/c will not always reflect how you play on any given day, maybe if you count or true score, gross, every shot you play, you would get a better idea of how good or bad a player you are, then try to inprove, it seems to me many players on the tsg dont want to do this most seem to be happy to have there h/c stay the same, maybe thats why its called the tsg, and if you stick to this, dont play for money, and just enjoy the game, and if you want a h/c join a club play in comps, and you will have one, or just have fun, its should be only you that your h/c concerns, but i am sure you have something to say, so lets hear it !!!! roger
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"Marky" Mark Cr...
Handicap: 17
Kent
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Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 146
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I agree with John.
If you belong to TSG and you want to play in the TSG "Majors", put all your Bloody cards in, it's not hard to do and saves all the bitching and back biting.
This is supposed to be a friendly, social sight and when we meet up for our special occasions, it should feel that way. Most times it does, but there's been a couple of times this year that's left a bitter after taste post the event.
Extremely good or truly awful, all my cards go in and my handicap has significantly reduced in the seven years I have been a TSG member.
I love this sight and I think this is reflected in my participation in as many TSG events as I can. I wish I could retire and play more, you'd all get sick of the sight of me, if you haven't already.
VIVE LE TSG
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Paddy O
Handicap: 19
West Sussex
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 10
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Whilst i agree with your sentiment and the 'Extremely good or truly awful' part is nailed on, i do think adding yet another card in the buffer zone a bit of a waste of time.
I guess I'm quite lucky in the fact that I'm probably not going to be in contention for one of the majors and those that have played with me can see I am pretty new to the game and my handicap is accurate.
However, I don't think people are bitter about someone like me that can't be bothered to put in another 96 card, but people doing it to gain an advantage. Which is cheating.
Edit to say, nobody I've played with from TSG seems to have an inflated h'cap.
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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
Bedfordshire
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Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 275
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Just a point, but handicaps are only supposed to be accurate a few times a year. If you play to your handicap all the time it will be a miracle. The handicap system is there to take in all of your scores, and with the new WHS starting during the course of next year, it will be your average of your best 8 from 20. Therefore the more scores you add (good or bad) the more accurately it will assess your play.
None of us put scores in to 'up' our handicap, but by putting them all in you can see how you are doing all the time. It would be nice to think we do it to get to the top of the leaderboard, but we are all the same - 1 game good, 1 game bad. And we all need to add all of our games so that we give ourselves something to aim for, whether the card is sitting in the buffer zone or not.
If you join the Matchplay next year, whoever you play against will probably have a look at your scorecards to see who they are up against. Entering all cards gives an indication of what to expect in a match.
jb
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Steve 'The Powe...
Handicap: 21
Essex
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Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 288
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On the basis that matchplay, even in social format, players may not actually have to putt out, matchplay cards need not be recorded, as they wouldn't be an accurate reflection.
Luckily when doing matchplay most of my results would be within the buffer zone if all holes were completed. I suspect it would be similar for most.
Entering all cards is commendable, although there may come a time, if 'exceptional performance' is introduced when a good round may result in severe cut to h/c as defined by CONGU.
Not sure how much this would skew the handicap.. Imagine scoring 47 points, off h/c 18, h/c adjust 2.x as well as the exceptional performance h/c adjust 3.x so take 5 off a handicap for one good day... It does happen in other societies...
Without exceptional performance 'penalty' the handicap is what it is...
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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
Bedfordshire
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Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 275
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So once (at least) a month someone is going to get an exceptional circumstances cut on the leaderboard as things stand! Interesting. So where will 'exceptional' start? 43, 42, 41 points?
The new handicap year may bring forth some interesting changes - be nice to be in the position to be exceptional........
 jb
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Judy Lilley
Handicap: 20
Kent
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Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 244
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Hear Hear John B.... spot on
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Paul Houghton
Handicap: 16
Essex
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Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 136
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John Barber wrote:So once (at least) a month someone is going to get an exceptional circumstances cut on the leaderboard as things stand! Interesting. So where will 'exceptional' start? 43, 42, 41 points?
The new handicap year may bring forth some interesting changes - be nice to be in the position to be exceptional........
 jb
Most definately John. 4 shots below handicap will trigger the exceptional system. But as Mark say's if you want to play in the Majors, please submitt your cards!
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