Golf Forums - Next year, New Handicap System?

 Hi,  All  back to the old subject,  I was wondering how my h/c was going under the old and new systems,  as always now i am playing all my golf at vila sol up goes my h/c  now stands at 10.5,  playing 11,  which is now the same  as my vila sol h/c 11,   so you would think that i should be scoring well,   but no  over the last 20 games i have not scored above 36,  so i checked my h/c  under the new system  best 8 from 20,  this gives  11.25   so not much different,  so i guess  my scores at vila sol will continue to be average,  or you could say  correct  for  vila  sol,  but will be to high  for the UK,  

I then wondered if  other golfers had the wrong h/c  compared to results.

So  i thought i would start at the top,  by this i mean the lowest h/c player on the TSG,   Brian  Scott,  well i was surprised     over his last 20 games  he has  bettered  36  7 times,  that maybe be because  his h/c  is to high,   why do i say this,   well if you do the test for the new system,   best 8  from 20, this gives him  a h/c  of  2.375  which is lower than   the 4.1  on the TSG   now i know or   hope  brian  does not mind me using him as a  example  ,  as he likes us all to have  ,a fair  h/c  but  my point is  maybe  what ever system you use,  you can and will fine  people with the wrong h/c,   mine at the moment,  i think is still to low,  as i have not scored over 36 in my last 20 games,  in fact its many more than  that,  It would take some time for  me  to check  every  h/c   on the  TSG   but  maybe  why not check  your own,  see  how correct yours  is under the new system ,,,   Ians  new idea  about extra cuts for scoring over 40,  may well help,  but this will only apply to people that can score over 40,  not all can,  anyway  i think  it will take time,  but i still think  what ever you do your h/c  will never be correct,  i for one know that when i return to the UK  my h/c   will be to high,   but as so many of you want members of the TSG  to put in  ALL  of there scores for h/c,  this i can say  I have done,   I could be here for some time,  so  how high will my h/c  go!!!!   i will have to wait and see,  bye  for now  have a happy new year,  and may your h/c   be correct   roger

 

I’ve shaved 6.8 strokes off my handicap this year, and scored above 40pts 4 times. Overall I think the system will work better with the exceptional cut.

PS: My understanding is the new handicap system in the UK won’t come into force until late Autumn of 2020, probably Oct/Nov, as they need more time to develop the software and iron out any issues.

 

Brian:

Most eloquent 2 words.

The Course Rating and Slope Index for 17 of the last 20 rounds I have played are available and so I have used these to calculate my WHS handicap.

To do this I need the best 8 "Differentials" of my last 20 rounds. To calculate the Differential for a round you need to start with your adjusted score. Under the WHS your worst score on a hole is nett double bogey. (The lowest score with zero stableford points)

www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/world-handicap-system-no-return-penalties/



Don't put your card in, get penalised. Shouldn't happen on TSG, but I'm gonna love some of the regular club members reactions to this. You know the ones that have a bad hole (5 off the tee perhaps) and chuck the card.... 

jb
 

Hi John, this will make no difference to TSG members handicaps, as it will only effect players who are playing in a club tournaments Competition Scratch Score(CSS) (we use Standard Scratch Score SSS). If you fail to submit a card when entering a club tournament you will be DQ'd. Retirement through injury is viewed slightly differently and cards are not submitted for handicap change. Clubs will/should take action on players who continually DQ.

Another point is that for handicap purposes you should only submitt the score that in stableford is one over the point score you can achieve.
i.e. on a stroke index 1, you as a 13 handicapper score an 8. And records it as so on the card. When submitting your score you enter 7 for handicap puposes.  This is so your handicap does not artifically fluctuate on one bad hole.  This is a CONGU ruling.

A good video to follow the new World ranking system can be viewed here.  
https://www.randa.org/WorldHandicap/System

Another point that is being missed is that your golf handicap should reflect a score that you might be able to achieve, in Stroke Play off Competition Tees.  Medal conditions for club players. So lower scoring playing Stableford is inevitable. We have considered this when introducing the Exceptional Scoring Reduction table (ERS).

Paul

 

I'd assume that on howdidido score entry (at club) will still need to enter actual score, as adjusting to 2 over par (ie 7 on par 5 would accrue points) so it's down to the software to sort this out. 

jb

 

I would think so John, the machine should be calibrated to  the COGU system.

Paul

 

It sounds like it could be cumbersome as it would mean before you play you need to do this calculation for each player. I don't know the formula yet, however my guess is it will be released in due course.

 

If it is anything like the continent there will be a chart at the course. You then take your handicap, find it on the chart and look at the number for that course on the relevant tee. 

jb