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Brigitte Lockwo...
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My view on the above.
Golf is a game where there are Rules, Stipulations & Deadlines.
If one misses the deadline, tough.
One would not get away with breaking the rules at any Golf Club. I have belonged to 4 different Clubs and I have learned the hard way.
TSG must be taken seriously, rules & deadline must be adhered to, otherwise integrity & credibility will be lost.
Sorry Chris, Tuan, Andy, Pete and more.
I didn't write the above because I have a Bye but because of my belief, knowledge & experience. Standards must be kept.
Please feel free to comment.
Also please remember that Matchplay rules are different to Strokeplay or Stableford's. Learn & know the rules (the correct ones) it is to your advantage.
On more important point in mixed Matchplay, Ladies May get extra shot (s), should th SSS between Yellow and Red Tees differs.
Please refer to the TSG Newsletter of March 2015 where all is explained.
Good luck everyone
Regards
Brigitte
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Brigitte
Could not have put it better!
Also, like the new rule about 'No Home Club' and halfway (ish) between both players.
jb
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Ryan Dewar
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Hi Brigitte,
I appreciate your post and I mostly agree however I'm going to table a slightly different opinion if I may. My personal opinion is that the game is better in an open, welcoming environment and we want to encourage as many people to enjoy the game and engage as much as possible. It is possible to do this whilst still upholding some of the great traditions and values that this game has brought with it through the ages. We all want to have fun out there! The rules of golf are important to ensure consistency and fairness (i certainly won't challenge you there) but not allowing someone to enter a friendly tournament just for the sake of a deadline in my mind is taking it a step too far and certainly doesn't tarnish the integrity or credibility of TSG or the game.
The more the merrier I say!
Ryan
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Brigitte Lockwo...
Handicap: 30
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Thank you John.
Very muc appreciated
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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
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Ryan
This is no different to turning up 10 minutes late for a medal round at your club. You are late, you are disqualified. It is not as though the Matchplay has suddenly been posted. I joined it in January/February - whenever it was posted - and have left my name on ever since. If these latecomers had done the same, they would be playing. (If when we got to the draw being due, they found they didn't want to play, they could easily have withdrawn.)
And should anyone now in the draw want to pull out, they can, just 'be unable to arrange a time/date'.
jb
(No problem Brigitte  )
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Ok I too will offer up an opinion on the TSG draw.
I rejoined TSG as a Pro Member in January and the first thing I looked at were the TSG events which unfortunately have been disrupted with the Covid-19.
Fortunately the Matchplay event is a starter and that is great news and the event has been displayed for all to see since January.
So the organisers make the draw (which should be taken as read and final) and then some late comers ask to take part and the organisers dilemma is then to decide if they can enter and if so if some players given a bye would be happy to play them!!
I believe if you do not enter by the deadline then unfortunately you have missed the opportunity to play and the onus should not be on the organiser to bend to accommodate them
Sorry chaps you had your chance and you failed to enter.
Yes I get the fact that it is the Social Golfer and there will be many who love the group rather than joining a golf club for their own reasons but to not enter a competition to witness the draw and then want in to the competition is just pushing the boundaries.
Yes Golf Clubs can be stuffy and many like the idea of a more relaxed atmosphere but assisting the organiser is essential to avoid this.
Some people won't like my observation but Que Sera. It's a forum for constructive comment so if easily offended I make no apologies.
I too organise events and it can be difficult when people play with the rules.
So Brigitte you have a supporter!!
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
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What does the S stand for in TSG?
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Gary
I am sure that is a rhetorical questionπ
Social = sociable and the sociable thing to do when you want to enter is put your name down before the expiry dateπ
Rocket science it isn't!!π
If you enter any event that is the one simple requirement before the organiser does the admin
Social golf still has to be planned
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Ryan Dewar
Handicap: 11
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John Barber wrote:Ryan
This is no different to turning up 10 minutes late for a medal round at your club. You are late, you are disqualified. It is not as though the Matchplay has suddenly been posted. I joined it in January/February - whenever it was posted - and have left my name on ever since. If these latecomers had done the same, they would be playing. (If when we got to the draw being due, they found they didn't want to play, they could easily have withdrawn.)
And should anyone now in the draw want to pull out, they can, just 'be unable to arrange a time/date'.
jb
(No problem Brigitte  )
Hi John,
I'm not sure I would entirely agree with you there. 10 minutes late for a medal round in my mind is a disqualifiable offence. It is a DQ because it affects other players and affects the flow of the game. This is quite different I believe. Adjusting a draw a day after it is posted which still has 40 days to be completed doesn't affect anyone in the slightest, especially when you consider all of the shuffling we've already had due to the virus. (the only person it might affect is the poor guy that had a bye and has now lost his/her free ride to Rd 2 and also their time to organise a match has been reduced by 2.5%...)
It's great that we got our names on early, but it seems unlikely to me that these people were waiting for the draw to come out to decide if they wanted to play. It's more likely that they've seen the post on facebook/TSG website and decided that they'd like to be involved with this great community and what better way than to join the Matchplay comp!
The organisers need to (and should be encouraged to) use judgement when making decisions like this and weigh up the costs and benefits to all involved rather than blindly following rules for the sake of rules. And that's what they've done.
I certainly don't want to ruffle any feathers around here (i'm new after all!) but my intention in writing this is really only to give a voice for those on the forum that might see it from the other side of the coin. I don't mind a bit of healthy discussion on occasion!
Thanks, Ryan
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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
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Sorry Ryan
But it's only open to Pro members and you also need a TSG handicap, so newcomers are probably not going to get in. The 4 who put there names forward late have dipped out, so there is no real problem. And I must say that the organiser gives us all at least 2 months notice of all the comps, so if you do not add your name early enough, that is your look out, pandemic or not.
I'd just like to say that we get this every year, someone suddenly realises they have not entered the comp and usually Ian has bent over backwards to accomodate, this year the comp has been up for an extra 2 months, so no excuse.
I've entered another matchplay, and having dealt with them before, the dealine, is in fact that a deadline.
jb
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I have never ever played in a competition where a draw has been made and subsequently names have been added to the list of eligible players who put their names down in line with the guidelines.
To be quite honest the organiser has considered the situation and included the players in the event so that is that.
Personally not my preference but the show goes on
Let's see how it pans out .
It actually has nothing to do with being sociable and note the S in TSG!!!!!
Constructive observation is always betterππ
In truth my other observation would have been a draw initially for opponents in the local area before embarking on the longer journeys
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
Berkshire
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It would have been understandable for flexibility with what's been happening...I was working Monday to Friday when the draw ended so limited time to do matchplay....now I could (not that I'd enter a TSG comp)
I actually respect the fact that flexibility has been shown to accommodate some later joiners. I don't respect people moaning at whether that should have happened....if there were no Byes or the deadline for round 1 was next week....I get it... But when there is space on a "sociable" non qualifying non competitive tournament....keep it relaxed. Golf is stuffy enough without a social golf set up being like that.
If your point of playing is to have fun, you'd not want a bye. If you just want to fulfil an ego or act like an authority on here I can see why you'd start this ridiculous debate.
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In fairness Gary for someone who thinks this is a ridiculous debate and would never take part in a TSG competition you seem to have alot to say on the subject.
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
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It is a forum...perhaps get the definition of that word too?
And I think the reasons for me not joining the TSG events is partly due to this type of attitude. I have played for and at many private clubs and agree with John in the sense that turning up late for a medal would be inexcusable. But the beauty of TSG (originally) was the relaxed approach to fun golf that gave new people a chance to play, all people chance to meet up and competition golfers a chance to play in more relaxed surroundings.
So to hear people with no game (byes) stating they don't want someone to join now??????
And again, I do agree that in years gone by some people are stupid in not signing up earlier but this year is not normal.
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We are at Polar opposites Gary so best leave it there as I have to prepare for the 1st round of the TSG Matchplay that I entered in January
Good golfing!!!!!ποΈποΈποΈπ
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
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Good luck in your match!!!
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Paul Jarrett
Handicap: 23
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Wow... that escalated quickly !
I didnt know this place could be so harsh, I joined TSG because i felt it was a friendly place to be...was I wrong ?
I have entered the matchplay competion, my first time and, I have a bye into the second round however, this is just about playing more golf so if anyone who has joined late wants to play a 1st round...I am happy to play because thats what its all about right ??
Ill Play Pete as he is local if thats allowed ?
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Hi Paul
Escalated yes, but we are only expressing opinions.... Wait til handicaps raise their heads again, then you'll see a bit of back and forth!
As to playing Pete, now the second draw has been made, I'd guess that's it, but message TSG (in your friends under profile).
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Paul Jarrett
Handicap: 23
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John Barber wrote:Hi Paul
Escalated yes, but we are only expressing opinions.... Wait til handicaps raise their heads again, then you'll see a bit of back and forth!
As to playing Pete, now the second draw has been made, I'd guess that's it, but message TSG (in your friends under profile).
Thanks for the heads up John, something to look forward to I guess :)
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Steve 'The Powe...
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All in favour of a more flexible approach, providing entry qualifications are still observed, 3 scorecards, neutral venues, friendly and sociable play.
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