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Chrissy Peacham
Handicap: 21
Essex
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Please can u explain how I got cut 11 shots from 29.5 to 18 Only After a few card?please
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Brigitte Lockwo...
Handicap: 30
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 It looks like a bug in the system !
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TheSocialGolfer
Handicap: 36
Essex
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Hi Chrissy,
Thanks for posting this thread....
I just spoke with Adam (TSG Dev) and it would seem as you entered your cards in a non date specific order, as such, the system unfortunately has got itself in a twist.
This is a common error but easily fixed.
There is a quick resolve, go to the following page -
www.thesocialgolfer.com/members/myhandicap
Untick the scorecards back to when you were playing off 29.5 and retick them in date order....fingers crossed, that should fix it.
If this does not correct things the, please email us at theteam@thesocialgolfer.com and Adam will investigate further for you.
Happy Golfing!
Ian & The TSG DEV Team
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Chrissy Peacham
Handicap: 21
Essex
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Thank you I just tried that not sure it has calculated it correctly as I only did the one good round yesterday
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TheSocialGolfer
Handicap: 36
Essex
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Hi Chrissy,
See our response in your email inbox.
:)
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
Berkshire
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The EPHC cut is equally twisted!
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'JB' John Barbe...
Handicap: 15
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So why is EPHC twisted? Considering the number of well above handicap scores posted, it would appear to be an excellent addition.
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Steve Hunt
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I agree John, its something ive advocated for a while on the system, after some short term pain for a few of us at the moment I think the Hc's should settle down and will be intresting to see if the leaderboard averages go down a bit
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
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Oh the theory of EPHC I fully support....but based purely on stableford points is wrong
I posted 41 points....but SSS for the course was -3....so really 39 was "playing to your handicap"...I was merely 2 shots better. Hardly exceptional
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
Berkshire
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I also feel that TSG should have Div 1 and Div 2 for comps / handicap / monthly leaderboard....
45 points is a "normal" winner on here....I'd have to play +3 gross which I couldn't do on a pitch and putt or crazy golf course let alone a real one
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Brigitte Lockwo...
Handicap: 30
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Gary has a very valid point (and I agree with him on this one) as to playing to one's handicap, sometimes requires 39 points + or 40+ , so not exceptional play !
Brigitte
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Playing to your handicap is scoring 36 points. The SSS is irrelevant to your handicap figure, it is the score a professional would play the course in. The fact that you have achieved 36 points or above is you playing well, and above 40 points, that is exceptional.
Handicaps at golf clubs in competitions are measured against CSS competition standard scratch, again not measured against a pro's ideal round.
If you score 40 points (or more) and get cut the EPHC, then count it as a badge of honour, not a penalty.
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Brigitte Lockwo...
Handicap: 30
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Sorry John , but getting 36 points in Stableford is NOT always playing to your Handicap, it is linked to the SSS or CSS in Club comps..
Garry is correct .
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Chrissy Peacham
Handicap: 21
Essex
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I apologise I've caused so much commotion I just was pleased I play great that one day
I'll probably play rubbish from now on !!
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Chrissy, don't apologise! Gives a chance for a discussion....  ........on the thorny subject of handicaps, it's always a winner.
It'll get to the point that the thread has to be shut, but in the mean time, gives us a bit of fun!!
jb
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Paul Houghton
Handicap: 16
Essex
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Come on guys keep it light hearted, the leaderboard is to win a towel! Yes of course it is the covertedTSG Towel :) but hardly the Claret Jug.
Of course handicaps differ from course to course as do the conditions and size of the field which is all taken into account at some clubs.
Not doubt some of you have 'give me's' and drops from out of bounds? We cannot police every entrant into the system. I'll do my best to encourage that cards are submitted when a good/any score is made, unfortunatelt your reward is not always welcomed.
Golf integrity is about being honest. Once you've played the game for a season, you really know at what level you are at. Some improve fast, others choose to remain the same so they can compete or be in the mix. The exceptional play cut is starting to help some achieved a bit more movement in a down ward decent, than they may not have considered? But hey thats just a nice suprise ...isn't it?
I'll leave you with a comment that my first club handicap secretary said to me...
"Paul you have moved into the amber section in my eyes"... "What the hell is the amber section I responded?" ..."it means you have awaken my attention and are going to be turning red very soon!
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Chrissy Peacham
Handicap: 21
Essex
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Thank you Gary I'm happy to donate the towel lol 😅
I'll take on yr advice
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Chrissy Peacham
Handicap: 21
Essex
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Would someone please explain what css and ephc are ?
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What contentious issues social handicaps cause
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Paul Houghton
Handicap: 16
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It is every players responsibility to try and learn the rules of golf.
Part of that is understanding what is a golf handicap?
Here is a link to the England Golf web site
www.englandgolf.org/handicaps-rules/congu-handicapping/
If you are not sure then, others will try to assist.
CSS is competition scratch scores, these are not used on TSG card submissions
SSS is standard scratch score, this system may well be adopted at some point in the future. It measures the player against the toughness of the course. Again at the moment TSG (nor England Golf) does not use this system. (this system is often referred to as Slope rating).
At the moment for arguments sake 36 points is considered par under stableford rules
34 - 36 is within the buffer zone. This may change as to GUR or temporay greens etc.
I hope this has helped?
Paul
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Paul Houghton
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Chrissy Peacham wrote: Would someone please explain what css and ephc are ?
Hi Chrissy the EPHC is in fact an Exceptional Play Reduction, which is an additional cut due to a very good score as in your case.
It is triggered when you shoot 4 below par or more. It is supported by CONGU and is in opperation at most golf clubs.
Paul
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Chrissy Peacham
Handicap: 21
Essex
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Gary H
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No commotion here so don't apologise....just a good healthy debate.
I do take John's point that stableford is 36 for your "good round measure" but my point was just that 41 points around a course that's simple is not comparable to 41 around the west course at Wentworth (for arguments sake) yet the total par being equal, the handicap adjustment would be the same....which is ridiculous.
I think the new difficulty rating system could work.... although it may take a few months to allow handicaps to settle.
An idea....which may be controversial....could the TSG system not take historical scores at courses (which could be a live average) to determine a CSS type rating for each course? So if you played pine ridge say, which is a regular high scoring course, 40 may be the true 36?
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Roger Ireland
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Essex
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Hi, All there has been a fair h/c system in place for most of the world for years, its called the slope, eg, my h/c at my home club, vila sol is 9.4, but my playing h/c is 11, if i go to another club with a lower slope then my h/c my could drop to 6, so what ever club you play at scoring 36 is your h/c , so score 37 and you will get cut, this is not the case in the uk ,but i am told it will be one day, the tsg has a system all of its own, mainly because you can put every score in for your h/c, and which never happens for club members, but this is soon to change, I only hope that when the new world system is in place , the tsg use the same rules for there h/c, its the fact that the tsg is using a different system for h/c which is helping to cause problems hence from this forum there are many different pionts of view, so roll on the day there should be one rule for your h/c, for everyone, were ever you play
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Brigitte Lockwo...
Handicap: 30
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Spot on Roger:
"TSG has a system of its own".....
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Andy Rogers
Handicap: 28
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The SS (standard scratch) that is used to calculate handicap adjustments. The standard scratch in relation to the par for the course determines how easy the course is. Cards can be handed in at anytime for a handicap review as long as they have been marked by a fellow EGU handicap holder.
Is the TSG handicap officially recognised by the EGU?. I personally think the handicap system is bent! Ever heard of anyone with a gatagory 1 handicap getting 43 + points in a Stapleford competition? Usually won by a bandit playing off 1i+ handicap with 45 points
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Nice to see someone new on here, but please, no insults until you have become a Pro member. And please note EGU handicap means CONGU, which is only if you are a Club member.
Yes there is a little banter, but we are a SOCIAL group
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Andy Rogers
Handicap: 28
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That's the one CONGU been a long time since I was involved in all that.
Did I throw an insult? Was just giving an opinion of the handicap system
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Matt Coffey
Handicap: 10
East Sussex
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I've never fully understood why other people's handicaps matter so much but I do understand that the vast majority of us love golf because it relies on integrity.
For what it's worth I think the TSG has done a decent job of treading that very fine line between promoting the social apsect (nobody can deny it's gone from strength to strength!) whilst simutaneously providing a range of competitive options including the monthly leader board. I welcome the introduction of a handicap secretary and I really like the suggestion of div 1, 2, etc. but let's be careful what we wish for - they may have to increase the membership fee to fund more than one towel a month
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Paul Houghton
Handicap: 16
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Matt Taylor-Coffey wrote:I've never fully understood why other people's handicaps matter so much but I do understand that the vast majority of us love golf because it relies on integrity.
For what it's worth I think the TSG has done a decent job of treading that very fine line between promoting the social apsect (nobody can deny it's gone from strength to strength!) whilst simutaneously providing a range of competitive options including the monthly leader board. I welcome the introduction of a handicap secretary and I really like the suggestion of div 1, 2, etc. but let's be careful what we wish for - they may have to increase the membership fee to fund more than one towel a month
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Brian Scott
Handicap: 2
Essex
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Let's all play off of scratch.
Leyton Orient doesn't get a 10 goal headstart against Liverpool!
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Andy Rogers
Handicap: 28
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Exactly! I see you play off 4 when was the last time you had 45 Stapleford points 🤣
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
Berkshire
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For £30...I reckon they could stretch to 2 towels a month
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Maggi Norris
Handicap: 11
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There seems to be a little confusion on abbreviations in this chat..😉
CSS = Competition Scratch Score.. Medal qualifying round.. one or multiple payers ..
SSS = Standard Scratch Score..
The WHS (World Handicap System) is due for implementation November 2nd 2020 (all being well) 👍 I think this will be a much fairer system than we have now, we will have a different course handicap depending on the slope and the HC index we are given on conversion when finally the CONGU handicap will disappear.. It would be great if and when the WHS is implemented that they do away with the Affiliated golf club stigma as most of us don't want to be tied to one club nor do we want to pay the outrageous fees..
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'JB' John Barbe...
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Seems that to have a 'legitimate/official' handicap, you will still have to pay your dues to England Golf and must assume it's going to be the same in Wales, Scotland and NI. There was an article in one of the Golf feeds recently saying the likes of TSG handicap and all others were not going to be 'official'.
I would guess the main reason for that is that the Golf Unions of each country see their income (what is it £25 per head) drying up.
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
Berkshire
Joined: Nov 2014
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I guess the difficulty TSG would have is that you pay the England Golf fees (or NI, Wales, Scotland) which is just under £10....then you pay a county few which is the same....
TSG spans across a county / maybe countries so which authority would you pay?
I guess you'd have to individually do it independently....but then the cards need to be countersigned by a registered player too....so if someone hadn't registered it would be a minefield
Then with the new system, each course has a rating (which replaces SSS) but then each DAY is meant to then have a score rating like CSS (or whatever the new term will be).... how many people on here will phone to ask for that, as it is done end of play end of each day!
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Gary H
Handicap: 36
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Maggi....I guess it depends on whether you want to play just social golf or competition golf....and outrageous fees are your choice....there's plenty of deals or fairly priced clubs.
I pay 1700 per year roughly, which is just over £140 per month....I play 2 or 3 times a week year round and would pay £30 a round...that would be £240 to £360 per month without membership....and I get 20 UK courses and countless oversees free reciprocals
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